Eating healthy

[hot_t]

I don't get the whole 'confidence is sexy' theory. Just because a person is confident about their appearence doesn't change if they are disgusting looking... and supporting someone as long as their confident could be unhealthy.

For example, I saw a talk show segment about just this topic. It had morbidly obese women who were confident with themselves and their partners supported it. Despite the fact that they were at risk of so many diseases. When I say morbidly obese I mean women that were 300 lbs overweight, not someone who is 30 lbs overweight. One women had a goal of weighing 1000 lbs (was depressed when she found out she had lost weight) and never having to move (literally... never.)

Also as for the skinny vs fat argument, someone who is extremely skinny is most likely ill (ex: cancer) or suffering from an eating disorder, which is psychological. An obese person is more likely causing it themselves, simply from being too lazy to exercise/eat properly.

[InkiePinkie]

Wow, I have never in my life seen so many misconceptions about "fat vs. skinny". And this isn't even the the topic!
Mr. DQ said "
I think you can tell the difference between naturally thin and just weight loss thin."
Please tell me how you can tell this?? If a person on the street came up to you and said I just lost 50lbs, and they looked great, how could you possibly tell what they looked like before? I would challenge you to pickout weight loss achievers from naturally thin people from a line up. My bet is that you couldn't tell the difference in a single one. And in the end, what difference does it make?

And hot_t, I think you had better think hard before you make generalizations in indentifying why people are skinny or fat "Also as for the skinny vs fat argument, someone who is extremely skinny is most likely ill (ex: cancer) or suffering from an eating disorder, which is psychological. An obese person is more likely causing it themselves, simply from being too lazy to exercise/eat properly."

The reasons for a persons appearance and weight are as varied as there are different people in this world. To say a skinny person is so because they are either ill or have an eating disorder is just wrong information. And to insult an obese person saying they are LAZY is the cruelest insult I've heard in a long time. It also makes me very sad for you that you can actually classify people as "disgusting looking" based on their weight.

[hot_t]

Inkie pinkie: If you actually read my comment you would see my response wasn't that people are fat because they are lazy or skinny because they are ill. I said it was MORE LIKELY, aka the more common scenario. I didn't generalize, I stated facts.

Also I didn't say than obese people are lazy, I said a lot are. I am fully aware some people are obese because of medical conditions but it is less likely than someone being skinny because of one.

Quite frankly I'm sick of hearing larger people (that I know) whine and moan about being over weight when they do NOTHING about it. I am on the skinnier side but I work out three times a week as well as walk my dog everyday. In the same sense, my sister's university roommate is anorexic (diagnosed) and my sister hates hearing the girl say how she really wants to get better when she refueses to eat anything but salads (no cheese, no dressing, no croutons, just lettuce)

Also don't feel sorry for me. I'm not ashamed to say I might find people who are extremely over OR under weight disgusting looking. Fat and blubber hanging off of every part of the body sure as hell isn't sexy. Neither are skin and bones. That doesn't mean I think all over/under weight people are, but yes it does mean I'm likely to find someone who is like 200 lbs overweight gross looking, and yes it also means I would find some who was like 100 lbs underweight gross looking.

[InkiePinkie]

Hot_t:
I did read your post, a few times as a matter of fact, because I couldn't believe that someone would actually post that.
I'd like to see where you derived your "facts" from, stating that
"An obese person is more likely causing it themselves, simply from being too lazy to exercise/eat properly." You didn't say that "a lot" are like this... you said the above which is different, and is indeed an insulting generalization.
I'm afraid it's unfair to base your generalizations only on people you know. I have yet to hear an overweight person "whine" about their weight while doing nothing about it. Typically, from what I've heard, they are discouraged because they are doing everything right, and the weight loss is slow, and they still get such unkind comments coming their way. I am sorry that you have such friends, but please know that they are such a small representation of the world. Not every skinny or fat person whines as you've described! There are far too many scenarios for a person's weight, and because it's such a sensitive issue (due mainly to unfair, and unkind comments such as yours), I think a person is best to keep their unkind thoughts to themselves.

[hot_t]

In saying 'more likely' I don't need to say 'a lot are like this'. It's obviously implied. I didn't say 'obese people are' I said obese people are 'more likely.'
See the difference... it's there.

I am well aware that not every fat person whines. I know some that don't and they aren't trying to lost weight.

You said most obese people you know are doing 'everything right'... I doubt it. Are they all exercising AT LEAST 3 times a week for 30 mins (also with an increased heart rate.)? Are the eating the nutritionist recommended amount of fast food (it's never. never eat it.)? Are they counting calories, carbs, proteins, etc. to make sure they are eating a balanced diet? Are they eating fresh food instead of pre-packaged crap? Did they stop drinking regularly, or completely? Did they stop snacking at night (after 7:30)?

Even as far as being attracted to a larger person it isn't just about them being fat. To me it's how could I be with someone who just lets them self go like that. Same rules apply for smokers (uckk), drug users and people who abuse alcohol. Respect yourself and your body if you want my respect. Pile garbage into yourself till your morbidly obese or smoke through your throat cause the cancer prevents you from breathing properly and I won't respect you. Period.

[Maddam]

Just thought I'd jump in and add my comments. Nowadays, not all fast food is "fat" food as a lot of fast food places have had to make changes to meet the demands for healthier food from the public. There is also a lot of pre-packaged food out there now that is not crap, but very healthy nutritious choices for those people who are choosing them for convenience sake. The pre-packaged food is in fact fresh food that was made that very day for the consumer to take home and heat up. There are a lot of small businesses working very hard to provide fresh healthy food for clients on a daily basis, and doing a great job. Not everyone likes to cook, so I think it is great that those people have good healthy prepackaged alternatives out there.

The comment about nutritionists saying NEVER eat fast food is downright ridiculous as no nutritionist would likely ever tell anyone to never eat any type of food Total prohibition is an extreme, and any extreme is unhealthy eating.

I have a bit of an issue with the comment about eating after 7:30 at night also. Are calories consumed after 7:30 suddenly more dangerous? Seriouslt hot_t, a calorie is a calorie and the time of day that you eat it is not nearly as important as the daily total. I think that a lot health professionals would agree that some of their previous recommendations for " a healthy lifestyle" have been proven in recent years to not be quite as accurate as they previously thought. I watched a television program a few months back that showed that the doctors involved were surprised that walking at a moderate pace for 30 minutes achieved exactly the same health benefit results as jogging more than five times the distance.They even discovered that you could break up the exercise into 2 or 3 segments instead of doing 30 minutes straight, and still achieve the same health benefits for that day. A calorie burned is a calorie burned, and I say "bravo!!" to anyone who makes any effort to exercise, whether it be 10 minutes a day, or an hour. I happen to have severe arthritis and sometimes find it very difficult to walk to my kitchen, let alone around the park. As a result, I am definitely heavier than I was during my cheerleading, mountain-climbing and occasionally misspent youth. I imagine that there are people out in the world making terrible assumptions about how I have let myself go, and apparently lost my self-respect. I will continue to cook my own healthy meals, and exercise as best I can on the days that I can, and hopefully will not let comments such as yours get me too depressed.

[Happytobehere]

simple math.. if you want to lose weight, you BURN more calories than you CONSUME. It is honestly that simple. It takes a little while for results to kick in, 3 months usually is a fair time to give any life change like that... I think people forget that.

My best friend lost 40 pounds this year (and I gained 30) !!! She quit eating out and started to cook her own meals and exersize abit (make healthier choices) and I stopped smoking and started weight training (again, healthy choices). I don't think people can look bad if they are making healthy choices, and not making excuses.

[Happytobehere]

well minervayuzon, I think you can see everybody likes different things. Just like with men, I like men who are thin, but have cut beautiful arms. And darker skin.

It's just personal preference and nobody should be wrong or right in liking what they like. And never feel hurt if you don't fit somebody's personal preference, because there will be people who will prefer you and your type

[hot_t]

Actually, maddam, most nutritionist recommended no fast food. The majority of those that do recommend it recommend fast food 1 time a month, some recommend once a week. Of course there are healthy and low fat fast food options, but obviously one would know I am not talking about a veggie pita on whole wheat with little or no cheese or high fat dressings, I am talking about going to McDonald's for a burger, fries and a pop. This sort of meal isn't recommended because of the extremely high amount of calories and fat. Generally, a fast food combo has more fat and more calories than you should have at one meal. A nutritionist's job is to teach healthy eating patterns and fast food isn't generally healthy. Look it up, even many salads at the common fast food chains are loaded with fat & calories. There's the actual veggies/fruit portion which is healthy/low fat but when you add nuts, cheese, dressing, croutons, and/or bacon/other meat you could be adding a ton of extra fat/calories.

You are right a calorie is a calorie no matter when you eat it... BUT your body doesn't always process the calorie the same. Eating late (close to bedtime) is discouraged because when you sleep your digestive system doesn't work the same and more of the calorie gets stored as fat. That's why you shouldn't eat later at night. 7:30 seems to be the recommended cut off.

By prepackaged I meant frozen food... like tv dinners. That is, of course, not made the same day it is consumed. If your talking about, for example, a prepared sandwich from your grocery store then yes, it is likely a healthy choice. I wasn't talking about fresh food.

Also, I didn't say that I think people who are overweight have lost their self respect. I said it appears that they don't respect their body. Big difference. I know lot's of overweight people who are confident and that's great. But eating horribly and not exercising (as the person I am thinking of does) shows me that she doesn't respect her body.

[mouse]

Moderators:is it time to move this thread to the healthy eating area?

[Golden Eagle]

I am so trying to stay out of this, as I do not think posts like this belong anywhere in CL. It truly is a shame that some people take full advantage continuously to mock and insight others into arguments when they are being 100% biased and prejudiced. Just my two cents.
As per member request this part of the topic has been split over into eating healthy.
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[InkiePinkie]

Thanks for your two cents Golden Eagle!
Your two cents are more valuable than you know

[shel999]

I have never been so disgusted and offended in my life - until now. I'm in utter shock that these views are not only held by someone, but that they were voiced at all!
I have encountered overweight people that do complain about their weight and seemingly do nothing about it. Rather, they continue to remain inactive and eat all the wrong food. I certainly know people who make every excuse in the book for their weight and expect it to somehow miraculously disappear if they whine and complain enough without doing anything about it. Similarly, I do know people that are incredibly thin due to extreme dieting. I've also encountered people who went about losing weight in the wrong way only to wind up thin, but more unhealthy than they previously were at a higher weight.
Before you get too cocky Hot-t, I am not jumping to your defense. I am merely proving the point that your views and opinions are nothing less than generalizations at the most extreme, no different than claiming that all African-Americans are good at sports or that all Middle-Easterns are terrorists (to be clear, those are not, by any means, the views I personally hold and I am disgusted with myself to have to write such stereotypes even to prove my own point).
True, some overweight people are lazy and contribute to their weight issue, but just as many, if not more, are fighting a losing battle while being proactive. Some thin people are ill, whether it be from an eating disorder or another disease affecting their weight, but just as many thin people are naturally so.
Nonetheless, no one knows what they're dealing with and have zero right to judge them for anything. Depression and food addiction can contribute to a person being overweight while preventing them from being proactive. Annorexia, bulimia, cancer, AIDS, diabetes, among others, can all contribute to a person being underweight. All of the aforementioned conditions are medical problems that need proper treatment and none are within a persons control. To judge someone for being over or underweight due to battling a medical condition is poor taste, immature, not to mention disgusting. My uncle battled stomach cancer and due to the treatments he endured to save his life, is now grotesquely thin - but he is healthy - and alive. I have family members battling diabetes and due to their condition, must stick to a diabetic diet which causes their weight to be lower than it might otherwise be. Again, they are healthy and alive which they otherwise might not be if they chose to put on a few more pounds to make one person happy.
I have been on both sides of the fence. As a teen, due to raging hormones and emotions, gained more than a few pounds. Despite being extremely physically active and involved in sports, in addition to eating a healthy diet, it took years to lose the weight. I am now a size 0-2 which may be considered "sickly" to you my non-friend, but it is due to my genetics, in addition to consuming a healthy diet and incorporating moderate exercise. I do not come from a gene pool of anorexics; I come from a gene pool of naturally thin people and I am thus so.
Congratulations are in order that you never succumbed to peer pressure resulting in addiction of any form, but it seems that due to your lack of experience (in conjunction with your blatant lack of maturity), addiction is something you do not comprehend. People do not aspire to become addicts or alcoholics; they experiment due to peer pressure and it spirals out of control. Or they are sadly battling mental illness and numbing themselves with their drug of choice is the only way for them to function. Once it gets to a certain level, which most never anticipated, it is easier said than done for them to "snap out of it" and that is especially true when mental illness is the underlying cause of their drug use. In addition, several substances cause physical side effects and potentially death if not properly monitered during the rehabilitation process. Sadly, some do not have the luxury of pursuing proper medical and continued psychological treatment. As a smoker who has tried quitting cold turkey, every OTC remedy, as well as prescribed medication in conjunction with counselling, I know too well how hard it is to break an addiction. Smoking is not a "choice" I choose to make daily; it is a very difficult addiction to break and a long process at that, even with access to the best treatment.
It's actually a good thing that you choose not to respect people who are overweight, underweight, or are battling an addiction because the last thing we want or need is respect from a know-it-all like you who in reality knows very little. It seems as if the one thing you never learned is this thing called "empathy".
In conclusion, although you have a right to your opinions and a right to express them, this is not the place to do so. I would recommend finding a more appropriate way of voicing your opinions, such as a personal blog, so that those who are interested in what you have to say can freely read your thoughts while the rest of us who are here for other reasons do not have to be subjected to your ignorant and narrow-minded points of view.

[mlisagarcia.xoxo]

i usually give in to one craving or another, and i usually don't think too much about it, and don't feel bad about it either.

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[lyndafaye]

"An obese person is more likely causing it themselves, simply from being too lazy to exercise/eat properly."

this statement I must comment on.
I have a chronic disease. one of the meds. supposed to help me deal with the pain caused me to eat anything that wasn't nailed down and some days I would pull out the nails.
I was not told this side effect and when I went to the doctor to say that particular pill was not working all he said and I quote. "well it would work if you lost weight."
I am not a big eater and rarely if ever do the fast food things. I cook from scratch and exercise when the pain is at a level to do so.
In 6 months I gained around 70. lbs. I felt gross I was depressed and I hated going out in public.
I stopped taking that particular med and in a year I lost 100 lbs.
Now was I too lazy, did I cause it myself, did I deserve sympathy or ridicule. Well I got lots of the ridicule and little sympathy.
So before you jump to conclusions take time to look at the person and maybe listen to their story.
I still have the disease and I am still losing weight but more importantly I am educating myself about new things that drs. want me to try. If I don't I may end up with side effects I really don't want.